22 June 2011 Lefke, Cyprus
(Mawlana Shaykh speaks with a guest.)
If there is no difference, the Creator would only create one type (of person). What are we saying, that men and women are equal? No, no! However, people are drunk. Someone brings a theory, whether it is suitable or not, and people say, “Yes.” Can an eagle be like a flamingo? Both of them fly, for example, but are they the same? No, they are different, but now people are like drunk ones, not understanding and knowledge is such an ocean that you cannot reach the bottom and you cannot reach the shore. This is only one spot to (help us) understand, not more.
They are trying to make so many instruments to understand space and it is also nonsense because we are more perfect than this huge machine. We can understand more than this and if we are not in it, that huge instrument can never catch anything. They may catch something but will not understand. Space satellites do not understand anything, rather the one who is in it understands. There is a secret and there is secret in a secret. We are not reaching even one millimeter’s distance to a secret, how can we reach the secrets of secrets? Everything now in all of Creation is a secret. May Allah forgive us. Welcome to you.
Guest: What makes people drunk?
Mawlana Shaykh Nazim: Everything, because you are not able to enter it, which makes Mankind drunk and in that state you can’t know anything. For example, you can’t understand the secret of an atom until you become an atom. You are a man, and a man may understand your secret, but women can’t understand, just as you can’t understand women; it is for them and this is for us. There are so many secret knowledges we cannot carry. This is a very, very, very simple explanation given as a figure (representation), not reality. (Mawlana Shaykh shows a picture of himself.) Who is this?
Guest: Our master.
It is not a master, it is only a figure. There is a real being for this picture that you are going to be, I am going to be, and he is going to be. We are only looking at figures.
وَفَوْقَ كُلِّ ذِي عِلْمٍ عَلِيمٌ
Wa fawqa kulli dhi `ilmin `aleem!
And over every knower is a (higher) knower. (Yusuf, 12:76)
Therefore, the Lord is saying, “Every learned person has a level that belongs to him,” but he has another level. It is impossible for you to reach his level, which is independent, just as another one’s level is independent to him. This is not our personality, it is only a figure. Our real personality or identity is in Unknown Oceans and it will be changed in heavenly dominions, which you can’t add or count as they are never-ending.
Your personality appears in every dominion, and the Lord of Heavens is in another dominion. This is our identity on this planet, but if we reach another, it is not the same personality that we are using or are dressed with here. That dressing is another kind, just as the dressing of those getting in that rocket is different from our dressing. Therefore, in every level or unexpected levels of dominions, we have another appearance; we appear in every dominion in another identity.